From what I understand, I-9 verification can take a while.). So if some of the jobs require facetime even though they are remote, at least initially, he hired someone else to pass as him. But again, in this case it would be cheaper to just pay him. This post is an instant classic for me and I put it up there with Michelle(?) Bob had some Feelings about it for awhile worried he was crazy, etc but eventually settled on thinking that Diya probably resorted faking the interview so she could get past all the hiring discrimination she had faced; who knows if thats true but its a sympathetic story that Bob could forgive. A few bank records, a retroactively issue SSN and voila, a Don Draper. But the rational part of me knows that Ill never send off every single one of those by accident bc thats just not a thing that could happen accidentally, and I do have a poor memory and Im fine mentioning that. There is a current lawsuit against the NFL over just this issue. whoo doggy Id roll IT back a day I tell you what. My handyman is extremely dyslexic and struggles with writing because the letters move around on him. The long and short of it was that Andy was Andy, John AND Tom sometimes having to work 24 hours at a time. I would like to know the number that is calling me for people that are not stored in my phone. Would they gone through all that trouble if both the interview and the job had been in person? There is a mention of changing his hair.what about his face? second marriage (changed last name) Its Monday, I have to sort through a HORRENDOUS file to find out what the heck is going on because the other side just. But then I worked in a company where we didnt allow onsite visitors without official badging and escorts (which required training), we had a clean desk policy, and any spouses/family members who work at direct competitors were reported on the annual conflict of interest form. And this was YEARS ago over a decade at a minimum. (And conversely, if you need back-end code both fast and right, you ask me rather than him.). They looked similar, and to this day I think they were probably siblings, but definitely not the same person. Spammers use auto-dialing software to instantly connect to one of the phone numbers from the list. Im not even sure itd be a crime. Yeah, this. I remember this from when I took the GRE quite a few years back. That makes a lot more sense. Fake Candidates are so much a thing that theres subreddits dedicated to thisand you can actually pay someone to do your interview thru some subreddits. On the first day, the people who interviewed her noticed she was gregarious, funny, and bubbly, which was weird because the woman they interviewed was shy, stern and quiet. Its not cheating if everyone is aware that old exams are available. https://twitter.com/Firr/status/1456324664628846599?s=20&t=Ot1yC7nWFyNx2ZAFuvI9DQ. But i had a really good score, to the point i was scared to mention it (not quite perfect but not far). We looked totally different and had completely different names to boot. When my kid took the GED last year, it was online and they had to scan their photo ID and send it beforehand, then hold it up just before the exam. I would have been suspiciousand asking others to contact Captain Awkward or Donna Ballman for affirmation and a verification plan. Most devices are configured to trust the networks they connect to, which means a malicious admin can do a lot of things to them, and learn a lot about the person the device belongs to. (I would have had to take the code test if I passed.) Prove you worked here. Im not qualified! Ive been working on it because this is objectively ridiculous (especially when the softwares are near identical or have such intuitive interfaces that I could pick it up in moments), but the idea of faking my way into a role feel ridiculous.. Maybe Im missing something here, but I dont see why it would be an issue if you provided I-9 documentation proving that youre Linda Kim at hiring and then told everyone you prefer to be called Lee. This sort of happened several years ago at my place of work. In black and white. For Unemployment Hell see the movie The Company Men. This just happened to my brother and I was blown away by the story! This was great. The rest of the team at nationals (who were all from our rival school) froze me out, assuming I was in on it. Not that Id get someone else to do mine, to be sure, but the odds that it would ever affect anyone are very low. Yeah, but a) that would make for a very that people wouldnt want to do because its too hard, and b) then you dont make any money off it. Someone would interview under the name Wakeen Tetera , and then someone else would show up with same name and job credentials and entirely different appearance. At the time it sort of was looks good on paper as I knew a number of totally clueless MCSEs but a lot of places did want the paper. MoC. You just took the stakes from a lower grade than you wanted to failure and possible expulsion, Ethan, at least try to commit to it? Lots of people think front-end code means anyone can do this. If it was a security-minded place like that, having someone wander off would be something to be suspicious of. Let me get John for you. Im actually surprised that this is not a common, known issue. None of this is necessarily terrible, but I hear him describe what hes said in interviews and just think there are so many ways we could edit that Many scammers are now able to hide their phone numbers and make it appear as though your bank is calling you. Or I guess very desperate. My family member has had a handful of students admit to letting older siblings and cousins use their identities to get jobs. Putting aside my usual status as a lurker to comment here: This happened at my husbands company a few months ago. I went to Deep Dive Coding Bootcamp in Albuquerque, and can attest its a rigorous, reputable program that operates like the one in Lauras comment. Maybe real John was going to do the same thing?? Roll back your racism there buddy. Youre right though, taking a job under false pretenses is considerably risker. And you have 3 days to do it. This is one of the wildest things Ive ever seen on this site and thats *saying something*. This was for a fairly technical IT position (database administrator) and this guy didnt know what software to use to access a database nor much at all about any operating system. This. They using interviewing pools within each job family and its very common to not actually work with anyone that interviewed you. Im honestly not surprised this kind of thing happens, but I dont know what John the 2nd thought was going to happen. My boss finally let me design a test for our candidates (data analysis) and I made it DIRECTLY related to the exact same skills and (fake) data the person would be working with on a daily basis. Bright young lady did the interviews. If you want to permanently hide your phone number, you may request your phone service provider. Or if someone has a lower level skill set and is trying for a stretch position thats a bit beyond them, or if it were a less-easily quantifiable soft skillset where they could inflate their accomplishments. After he was hired it turned out that hes actually super socially awkward, in a quiet and serious kind of way. Im pretty sure our HR/leadership would stop them at the door with a whats going on, youre not the person we interviewed stance. Thats it. (I considered cats, but cats are both smarter than John, and also would have pooped on a desk before leaving.). Im glad this guy didnt get hired it would have become clear real soon that he had lied to us, but it would have been difficult to get rid of him. Ill bet the company will pay him, because it wouldnt be worth their time to create the case against payment. Most places start out by hiring only fullstack people to save money, have significant failures in one or the other direction, and then finally start hiring specialists if they happen to survive long enough as a business. Most likely this guys highly skilled cousin did the interviews for him because he didnt have the skills and experience needed to get the job he was looking for. My ID looks nothing like me now tooI should probably do something about that. What about ID provided? They faked their English proficiency for a program that required heavy emphasis and written and spoken skills to get a visa into the US. You cant just cover with a different software. I think its especially a problem in IT, where there are a lot of auto-didacts. The individual was working in the US (I dont know his status) in a coding job in a hybrid role. Thats why Im very quick to make sure the interviewer understands my skill level. ), Wow, if hiring someone to interview for you is a thing, then John and Not-John are both really, really bad at it. My week is made! Hed give a bright smile and cheerfully say yes, because of course it tasted good! He was super paranoid about this exact situation and went to extremes to prevent it. Alison could do an interview with Interview John! Are you saying your old iphone showed both? I dont think theyve received the equipment though he just promised to send it on Friday. Heck, Ive had at least one where they barely asked who I was, just plonked me into a room and said theyll be here for you shortly oh yeah, whats your name again, and youre here to interview for what? when I was unemployed (briefly) I ran into that a few times. He wanted a (presumably pretty high-paying) job he wasnt remotely qualified for and it sounds like he paid the fake interviewer a lot of money to pull off this scam. I was once reorged off the org chart, but kept on the payroll. This is definitely a thing it happened at my old workplace a few years back. Id be so tempted to reply to a reference check with a mysterious Which one? and (internally) laugh at the recruiters baffled reaction before explaining further. It is also there to use as a threat of not allowing the store to take those card anymore, if they dont take the risk of taking stolen credit cards. ; Follow the instructions for Unlimited incoming minutes are included. In his shoes Id be tempted to just start asking John point blank awkward questions to see how deep it went, secure in my knowledge that I had a foot out the door. Make sure you never click on a link from an unknown number and contact your bank if youre still not sure if the text is legitimate. Or should we assume they are using company hardware? A spam text message can be even more difficult to navigate than unwanted calls. The stuffy owners of the shop choked on their coffee but we staff and one of the managers convinced them that since her personality hadnt changed, she was still a good fit. https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/110220/city-proxies-work-to-help-nris.html. As mentioned above the fines for hiring without due diligence can be extortionate, and the regs are nailed down pretty tightly. I had a boyfriend who worked as a software engineer. We all thought she was lovely and would fit the vibe of this upscale, pricey store. Unclear if they are working out an error by the hiring committee /HR or unraveling fraud. I have a friend like this, except its that his first name is not a common name for English-speakers (and neither is the nickname he uses for it, and further fun, both the name and the nickname are somewhat more common in America with different pronunciations than he uses because more than one culture has a name spelled that way, and also the way he pronounces his nickname sounds similar to a differently-spelled nickname for yet a different namehis name situation is about as Hard Mode as you can get for a name thats actually pretty easy to spell and pronounce once you know whats up), but his middle name is pretty common by comparison and will almost certainly be un-mangled in both spelling and pronunciation by typical American English-speakers. They also provide help for the first year including remoting into your PC, or taking control via screen share to complete tasks. Isnt crazy?! Ive heard of people outsourcing their jobs to India and China, or beefing up their resume with short stints at companies that are defunct, or asking a friend to be a fake reference for a couple of beers But this is new. third marriage (dropped my second husbands last name, moved my maiden name from middle to last, and hyphenated). Once she started doing actual work for us, it was awful. So what youre saying is, youd want them to take notes on a criminal f******* conspiracy? At least it was an understandable mistake to everyone except the candidate who missed out. (I think maybe his visa depended on him keeping the job, but I dont really know how these things work.). Super engaged, enthusiastic, and brilliant in the phone interview. The persons webcam wasnt working, and when he arrived the first day, it was a completely different person. If they move on most companies will only state someone was employed and so that becomes a genuine reference. The anxious part of me worries that I might be sending off similar red flags bc I have lots of memory problems. The company cut off his access and counted his laptop as a loss. I would also hope that the company would have sent out equipment that could be remotely wiped, bricked or tracked (or all 3) if it were lost or stolen. We grew suspicious of lip syncing and his booming cough with limited physical reaction gave it away. I have some certifications that are important to my job, but I never considered hiring someone to get them for me. Both Interview John and Fake John have serious character flaws. If you pull this up a few times a year, you can earn a decent living by only working a few weeks for the whole year. That alone wouldnt cause anyone to question your identity. Someone I know told me he did this in a super nonchalant way, like, Oh, Im great, I just found someone to take my exam for me so its a good day. Said his brother had done it too. Honestly, I wouldnt want to hire anyone who actually cheated on a cert test, not because they cheated, but because they were too stupid to pass a test that doesnt even require you to understand the material in it. Or is some kind of scam via a fake placement agency? Additionally, your efforts to hide your number may not work for some toll-free numbers, government phone numbers, and 911 services. All rights reserved. I remember that guy!! They knew a bunch of contractors were sitting on the payroll getting paid and doing nothing because no one was keeping track of the work. This reminds me of the woman with the common name who had her career identity stolen! Its super-weird because you feel super paranoid and conspiratorial when the thought is this the same guy? occurs to you, and then when someone else says it out loud, its like YES! Most of the software companies I know of typically pull code that is similar to what they are actually working on. That way if you have answers to 50 or 200 questions ready to go, it would just mean you know the material. That would explain why John didnt hide it better why would he ask Holly her role?!? I spent some time with Verizon, too. This is why you dont lie folks, you tend to get caught eventually. OP here I had the same thought when Husband told me this poor guy just oversold himself and they are going to accuse him of fraud! Haha luckily more unraveledI think had it not and it just been one person suspicion this probably wouldnt have amounted to anything. When he realize they were on to him, he split. (Technically, we dont know this was in the US, though it seems likely). Also, tougher to grade. These things are standard multiple choice tests. Plus I now Google the questions Im going to ask to see if theyre repeating it word for word. Thank goodness the room is empty. OH also- the company has implemented a new policy already (unsure of the record on how quickly a corporation can enact a new policy but I imagine they could be close).all video interviewees will have to give consent for their video interview to be recorded. There might be a case for computer fraud though, based on accessing the companys systems under false pretenses. They heard back from legal who are less than thrilled about the situation! All the bad news and the internet's general distaste for Activision had many calling "dead game" before it even came out. I mean numbers that are not stored in my phone. But I guess someone cheating to get a job is probably not going to be the most thorough in his preparation (And I assume that was the goal here if it was corporate espionage, it wouldve made more sense for the original guy to accept the job himself and just quit as soon as he could steal the info he wanted. I arrived for the first day and began training with another sales associate several hours before the manager arrived. . Probably you dont forget whether youre married with kids! Fortunately, that doesnt mean call centers must rely on It was a legitimate bootcamp, not like what youre describing. We went with the other candidate, and speculated whether the person had hired someone to be their phone self. I started off thinking it may have been a language issue, but finally realized he was googling stuff in the background (or somebody was feeding him answers) and cut the interview short with a do-not-hire recommendation. On to the fun of the insanity of the situation! Pre-Covid Id heard that people would hire someone else to take their driving test for them, but Id never heard of someone doing a job interview on behalf of someone else! This made it as one of the top stories on Hacker News this morning! Yes, thank you LW and Alison, this has turned blah Monday to smiling Nonday. I mean, its basically the plotline of Cyrano de Bergerac. I can see jobs where you just Barney Stinson your way in. Id think any company supplying computer equipment would want to complete the process sooner rather than later. They were covering their own butts. In such a case, youll need to contact your carrier and inquire about possible options. But depending on how well structured the companys network permissions and the like are, its entirely possible this person could have left them a nasty surprise for the future, as well. He agreed but said since only one candidate made it to the third round, that is really unlikely (other candidates had already been sent rejections before the third round even occurred). Im actually in the very position of being readily simplified to a Python + Docker/Kubernetes + yeah thats a ticketing system Ive used + we dont talk about HP ALM guy, such that if I was applying to say a JS role I would still say that historically Ive done a ton of Python but also enough of JS to get the gist of how I would reason around using it, but wouldnt necessarily tell the Python folks about the bits and pieces of JS, Go, Logo, Scala, Swift, VBA, Matlab, that one language for Siemens programmable relays that I forget the name of, etc etc etc. Kinda like faking your entrance materials to a school and then realizing you have to actually take classes that you arent prepared for. I set a few firm deadlines, put the intern under close observation for a couple days, then checked the code. A resume that is not fraudulent might also list experience with Ruby on Rails and Java. I did say yes Im aghast at this dude and I think that if theres a rising incidence of this, it is a bad sign for where we are headed. Law can be lucrative, but if youre going to hack a wireless mouse to somehow provide a cheat sheet in a proctored exam, youd undoubtedly make more money as a computer engineer. My husband reminded me (maybe legal reminded John lol) that the sum of the equipment value would absolutely fall into the felony theft category. Oh please. Right? It just sounds like a recipe for misery and constant stress and paranoia. If you did the homework, and you understood the processes, you had learned the subject. So lets do those first and then get to the question. And a Cyrano de Bergerac reference, which immediately makes me think of the glorious episode of Frasier where Niles dresses as Cyrano for Halloween. Thank you for sharing all this with us. I nearly did a spit-take at my work desk at that line. I agreed that all those things taken together make this very odd but each one could have a valid explanation. If theyre repeating the question back and stalling before answering its usually because theyre using talk to text to search and then picking the best response. Five fennec foxes. it. Find out who called me before ringing back with our free service that helps you to avoid nuisance calls and scams. Apparently this is A Thing. I have written code in something like 15 different languages between compiled, scripting and macros. Ive never had my ID checked at an interview, or had to check anyone elses. I hate my given name and use it as little as possible, my professional existence is under my nickname, which isnt normally short for it and is also a name in its own right (ex: my legal name is Linda, I go by Lee). stuff and I. just. Of course, if it really is shadier than that and theres an attempt to steal company info, thats a different story. It turned out Mara had interviewed for the job but I guess didnt end up wanting it and gave it to her twin sister who went and performed the duties until she was found out. *applauds* I bet the only people who get this are us certified Old Farts and younger people who used to watch Nickelodeon! If the actual person who gets hired cant actually do the job, why would they want it? This is very common in the IT consulting world unfortunately. So theres one motivation. Unfortunately they never quite managed to pin anything definite on him. I spent several hours on the phone with verizon. I think it was just a joke. You can allow a number to call by removing the blocked number pattern. I highly doubt it, John would have been shown the door on his first day. Or hes bought into the fake it til you make it premise to an extreme. You dont ask me, you ask my same-level coworker. I think thats a bit of a stretch. This was a wild ride, thank you LW for sharing this and updating to the finish! Nominally, I am a full stack developer, which means I can write both front-end and back-end code. Copyright 2007 - 2022 Ask A Manager. It certainly seems like it should be a crime. In the meantime, legal approved security to put a trace on Johns computer to review if there have been outside messages or if his work is being completed with outside help or on a different computer altogether. Faceblindness doesnt stop me from remembering basic information about how to do my job! I put in an application at a local bakery for a summer job (small, family-owned). But why? Its hard frustrating to know we may have passed on a legitimate candidate for one who wasted our time in the interview process. Bert waddled unsteadily over the heap of quilts and sat herself down by the fire. I have gotten a bundle of misdialed calls, often leaving personal messages, in which case I call them Doesnt surprise me at all, though. This seems to be especially true of contractors hired from off-shore companies, where the default rate is sometimes closer to 75%. So youd put Lee Kim on your resume, then when you showed your ID at the interview youd say I go by Lee but my legal name is Linda. As long as you dont have any malicious intent, theres no reason to feel guilty about it. Phone numbers that begin with 09 can be a red flag, as these are typically very expensive to dial. Points for gumtion? How do these people think a company wouldnt notice?? Respect. Entry level admin support. My husband said the general consensus among the group on the call is that the talk with HR is going to send up a quick red flag and John is likely to resign claiming a poor fit rather than get caught committing or admitting fraud. If its a side hustle, how does he schedule that many interviews around his day job? I call BS. Limited emergency calling Skype is not a replacement for your telephone and has limited emergency calling capabilities depending on your country. Share your knowledge and make use of other peoples experiences to never let unknown phone numbers ruin your day again. If this is the case, they didnt do that great of a job. He failed miserably and we rejected him. ask a new question. I dont bother to lie, because I cant keep track of the lies. Web24/7 phone support in English is offered for users of both Google Workspace and Microsoft 365; hours for support in other languages vary depending on country. But, on her first day, a woman in a subdued mohawk that was dyed light green showed up. HR said theyd give him the rest of his orientation period, and if he didnt improve to the level he demonstrated during the interview, wed have to meet again. Ooooh, this makes me so mad. Have no idea how rampant it is, but it sounded like this interviewer had experienced it more than once! I didnt want to start the job and then find out they wanted someone with much more experience. Which area codes are most common amongst the numbers being considered as spam? Our boss sorted it out. Even though you know its a scam, other peoples comments can help you to feel less alone. (I said no.). She is better known as the creator of the official ChatlineNumbers, which has helped singles in North America to interact and bond through private phone lines since the 2000s. I see it as an act of desperation as well. This is what Im thinking. It seemed to be the interviewer who was the imposter. On the other hand, are they hiring? I have an incredibly common surname (think something like Kim for Koreans or Singh for Indians). Thats how monarchs who claimed to be descendants of gods & heroes got their start. The criminal who thought that spraying himself with lemon juice would make him invisible. WebDownload Just Dance to your laptop or desktop and also add the app to your phone. (The solution was, of course, less interesting but more valuable: just some basic work organization skills to impart and reinforcing the message dont be afraid to ask for help!), Since we went to virtual interviewing Ive definitely had some candidates that Im fairly certain were either being fed answers or frantically searching for answers. This means that youll have lesser chances of receiving prank calls and unimportant calls from random people. I said No. Its also possible to get a new identity under the witness protection program just as the woman above did they find a birth certificate of someone around the same age, who died in infancy, and left no survivors, or might have been put in an orphanage. His friend got an entry-level job & told him to come along on the start date. Occams Razor. We were looking for Contractors for a specific IT project, the Contractor put up a few candidates, we interviewed them, and awarded their agency the contract once we found the contractor we liked. Also check if you create Teams meeting from Teams app and Outlook app, call in number is viewed or not. Im guessing that even if *you* forgot something, the interviewers would recognize you and at least know you were the same person! On the phone, excited about a long-term role at the organization. I used to work as an assistant for a IT Staffing Agency in 2015 and they mostly did virtual interviewing since the roles were usually contract jobs given to people outside of the US. Their security teams are trying to discover what all he downloaded, if theyll be able to get their equipment back, is John really his real name, etc. I cant remember the details of what they said, but apparently the new employee tried to brush it off as something normal (as in, yes someone else completed the interview, but all answers provided were true to my work experiences). 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